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ST: l.o.v.e. by CanneDeBonbon ST: l.o.v.e. by CanneDeBonbon
spock is a tsundere because you know im right
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slagartist Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
Candy I love your everything because reasons, and your Space Husbands for very specific reasons we both share <3.
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MiriamRabinowitz Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
This is a really amazing drawing :)
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museaway Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
I love this picture & everything you draw. Just so you know. Your stuff brings me oodles of joy. <3
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It would have to be for Uhura! because since love and all that go with it are Biological functions. It would be a waste of Logical minds and time on another male.
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
If you read what I wrote to the others you would see It is not. Vulcans are written in Start Teck as Heterosexual monogamous people.
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Smaug11 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
IDIC

(The base Vulcan philosophy. Not heterosexual or monogamous. Sorry to disappoint.)
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Then Think of it as pure logic for that is what Vulcans are suposse to be. Ponn Farr is a biological imperative. Imperative so they can mate with their bonded spouses. Then the rest of the time they seem even in the writing to be celebit the rest of the time. So on that note since Two males can't naturally have children together. And two females can't have children naturally together. That  it is not natural and as C Evert Koop the Surgeon General said in a report that un-natural sexual acts spread disease. Vulcans would not participate in something that would spread disease. That means homosexuality or even promiscuity and even adultery wouldn't be participated in by a logic person who wanted to keep themselves and their families healthy And to propagate the species.

Mind you I didn't mention the Bible. I used only Logic. If you want me to talk to you further on this come to my journal I am more than willing to discuss this  all you want.

Yeah IDIC  but for Logical things but not illogical ones! 
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Smaug11 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope, it's just IDIC. Accepting every and all little variants that can possibly exist, logical or illogical (humans are illogical creatures, yet Vulcans find no problem with associating with them). The 'but' is only your invention to appease your belief system.

Stop forcing your beliefs onto a purely alien culture. And onto those who wish no part in it.
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Logic can't accept illogical into ones standards. In other wards you can be around  illogical people but you do not have to let them corrupt you. You can however hope to goodness they will learn from  your good example.  

Accepting the illogical dose not mean you have to agree with it or do it.  It means that you know it happens and avoid the pit falls.

If you are admitting that you are Illogical and thus alien to me I am not forcing anything on anyone. You talked to me first Did you not . If you don't like logic well that is you. On that note Live long and prosper.
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AngelBeni Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014
I believe we are all missing the fact that Spock it is not just Vulcan, he is human too, so he can be illogical ._.  isn't that kind of important in this conversation about logic?
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CanneDeBonbon Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
excuse me???!!?

1. i think you're not talking about "biological functions", you're talking about reproduction specifically. and there's always logic behind choosing and not choosing to reproduce
2. uhura isn't the only female on the enterprise/in the universe?????
3. my drawing my rules it's for jim
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Are you saying Jim is a female? Oh well. It is as it is in your universe. 

You do agree then that The Creator of the Universe the greatest artist of them all has the right to say what is done with his art.  I am just saying that the God who created the Universe and it's beauty and Humans with all the lovely emotions and desires that go with them. He has the right to say if someone tries to corrupt them with unnatural things. 

Nature and the Make of the human body proves that Homosexuality is unnatural. But since this little piece of art is your work. You have a say as how you drew it. Actually Spock and Kirk are Roddenberry's original characters and well lets say Kirk was a bad womanizer. And Vulcans are written up as bonded Monogamous heterosexual beings. His art work.

I do like your style of work though. So don't get hurt if I say that something that is un-natural is illogical.  And are you saying Kirk is a female? 

The bible guides me in my thinking  and it is the Word of God the grand Creator and Best and first Artist.  You can appreciate that cant you.  If you look further into what I wrote BrokenCivilization you will understand my thoughts on the matter. I am more than willing to share the same exact information with you if you like. I can even share scriptures.
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CanneDeBonbon Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
jim is a male, but if him being a female will make your incredibly narrow-minded view of the world more comfortable, then i guess nothing is stopping you from delusioning yourself

just because YOU believe what's written in a very old translation of a book doesn't mean everyone else does. ;D
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
We read the original text and get the true meanings from what the original meanings were. And If you Find Gods view of what he wants people to be like. Well It is exactly like you not wanting something read into your work what you didn't intend. God intended for Humans to live forever on a paradise Earth. God designed the earth and all it's aspects. And yes it is old because it is Gods word and He saw to it that it came to us in tact with the original meanings. {The Bible That is} 

You mean to tell me that because it is old you wouldn't read it or believe it? It is as I said to our friend here John 17: 3 this means everlasting life their coming to know you. That is God Jehovah} and the one whom you sent  Jesus Christ. {His son}

Is there any other Book or belief that can promise Humans such a wonderful prospect? Even if it is old it i s the original promise. I look forward to it and want others like yourself and our friend to. Wouldn't you want to live forever on the earth With God as our king? He is loving and kind. Promising things such as in Isaiah 33:24 And no resident will say I am sick. The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error.

Only God Jehovah promises that we will live forever and not be sick and or errors will be pardoned. Can you give me a book a religion or a promise such as this? If you can tell me. Also if you can wouldn't you do your very best to live up to what the author of such a book or writing said was proper to receive such a hope?

Maybe a lot of people don't believe as I do. But I am a people person who loves my neighbor and want them to live forever to.

My mind isn't narrow I just don't go against the nature that God set out in the bible. One man one woman and to fill the earth and subdue it. Oh I forgot to say it says. Be fruitful and become many. Let me Quote Genesis 1:28 "Further God blessed them. And God said to them. Be fruitful and become many. Fill the earth and subdue it. Have in subjection the fish of the seas and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature moving upon the earth." 

One can not Be fruitful and become many if they practice homosexuality.  
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CanneDeBonbon Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh really, can you read hebrew?

no i'm not saying a book has no value because it's old. some parts of the bible have no value because it's outdated. who nowadays doesn't wear mixed linen, and most people eat shellfish. and you know what, almost all animals on earth (and not just humans) practice homosexuality. according to you, since god made those animals to his design so i guess homosexuality is pretty normal. 
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I know that there were several languages that the original text were written in. One was Aramaic and Greek I don't read ether but I have a books on translation as well as The new bibles are  pretty good translations. 

All the laws about homosexuals are not just in the Hebrew scriptures. it is in the New Testaments to. I am what the Bible calls a Gentile. And the Gentiles were let into the congregation long ago. I believe the bible is a good guide book for all of our health and a guide to make all man kind good people.

There are no actual homosexual animals per say. There are Asexual animals designed to procreate that way. Animals that are to shall we say horny to know the difference between a female and male can't procreate with the same sex partner so there for they are not quite right. Lets say there is a prize race horse and they want him to be put out to stud for more good race horses. But he is off and only mates with males. He is not quite right and well useless as a stud to produce more horses.

Sex is for pleasure as well as procreation. So if a person wants to do it the way god intended it would be with the natural mate for them! Right? I am saying if you believe in evolution would we not all be hermaphrodites{ having both sexes in us so we could have sex with same sex} or Asexual { Reproducing on our own with no partner}? Point is the male organ {P} has the sexual organs attached not his Anus or his mouth. Like wise the female has her Sex organs in one area. Made perfectly for the males organ to work correctly. It is natural and correct. Females also don't have sex organs in their Anus or mouth. So ether of the other orifices is unnatural and to top it off against Gods laws.

Laws are set up in our society to protect us. Such as murder if wrong in every society a good low don't you think? Same with laws on thievery.

So We follow Gods laws. not wrong or antiquated 
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CanneDeBonbon Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
how do you know if it's a good translation if you don't read the original language and it directly contradicts what you said about reading the "original text"

also i like how you completely ignore my point about linen and shellfish. do you wear mixed linens, pray tell? if you do, then i don't see how you can be so self righteous and lecture other people (who're not even christian to begin with) to follow your teachings from a TRANSLATED book. 
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Broken-Civilization Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, I want to start off by saying, love and all that goes with it ARE biological functions, its true I'll give you that. But two humanoid beings of the same gender CAN actually carry out those functions together (not going to go into details O_o ) and It would NEVER be a waste of logical minds and time to do so if two males wished it. and you can't use logic in this argument, because Vulcans are practically the gods of logic and the way they see it is that love has no gender, discrimination against homosexuality is immoral and illogical.
(also the artist is a spirk fan, so its for Kirk)

whoa, I dropped a paragraph on you... as you can see I get a little defensive about these thingsSweating a little... 
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
While I agree that two people of the same gender can love one another as brothers or sisters. In fact Greeks have 4 words for Love, Agape that is Love for human kind. Philia is love for Brothers or sisters. Storge love for ones family. And then Eros Romantic love. Eros is the only form of love not mentioned in the Greek scriptures. So when I said love was for biological use I was talking about Eros of which your picture depicts.

It is not Logical for them to have sexual functions together for it is not natural. That kind of thing would never happen with a logical being because of the fact it is not natural. Yes you can use logic. For it is not logical to have sex up the sewer pipe. Or any other way of un-natural sex. I agree that Kirks character would have sex with anything. Spocks on the other hand wouldn't because it is a biological function.

Let us remove ourselves from Star Trek for the moment. It is not discrimination to Say As a True Christian Homosexuality is immoral and un-natural and condemned by The God who created Male and Female and told Them to be-fruitful and become many This is mentioned in Genesis the first book of the bible. Male + Male =0 children, Female + Female= 0 children. But Male + Female = children. only logical. Also I know it is wrong to have premarital sex. It also is condemned in the bible just as is adultery and thievery and lying. These sins are equally mentioned in the bible as wrong. But if one changes and stops such wrong behavior they can and will be forgiven. I will provide scriptures is you are really interested. 

You may or may not believe in the bible it is up to you. This is my belife based on the bible and I am willing to share it with anyone who wants.   It is not discrimination to say lie is wrong For we all know it is wrong. So in the same view saying homosexuality is wrong is not discrimination it is a statement of facts. Based on the Bible of which I believe in. As I said earlier that premarital sex is wrong and adultery is wrong. I also live by what I say. I have been married for 27 going on 28 years to the same man. We were both virgins on the day of our wedding. I encourage all my friends to keep themselves clean from this kind of sin also.

No need to be defensive. To share knowledge is good.
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AngelBeni Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
Well, I know a lot of christian people (including me) and I don't see Homosexuality as something immoral, completly wrong, un-natural or punishable thing ._. I've seen you have quoted the Bible a lot so I'd like to know if there is actually a verse where it says that God will condemn Homo people.
In my opinion, I even think thoes couples are cute, they're not afraid to show the world they are different and in love. At least that's my opinion, and I'm also a K/S shipper (and a shipper of plenty slash couples but let's not go into details)
Also, where is the connection between Homosexuality and lying?
And I don't mean to be rude but I think you're kind of pushy :/ 
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
If you have a bible I am all yours for the moment. ! Corinthian 6:9-11 Puts Homosexuals right in the list of those who are not worthy of God Kingdom. Notice other things listed also. That make it equally as wrong.

Romans 1: 26, 27 says  God gave them over to uncontrolled sexual passion for their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature. Likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males wit males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full penalty which was due for their error. {See it calls it error sin, Unnatural  working what is obscene.} Further on in 28 threw 31 It tells us. they didn't see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a disapproved mental state to do the things not fitting.  And filled  with all unrighteousness. Wickedness, greed,  and badness  being full of envy murder strife and deceit and malice being whisperers backbiters haters of God, Insolent , haughty boastful schemers of what is harmful. They are listed with more things that in verse 32 says are deserving of death for they not only  keep on doing them but also approve of those practicing them. { We as True Christians should be aware that we shouldn't approve of them or think it is ok for other wise we will be disapproved also.  

Revelation 21:8  this one lists those disgusting in their  filth and murderers and sexually immoral  the Greek word used here is Porniea which is the root word of pornography or Porn. All sexual sins.   Romans !: 26 -31  Remember to that in ! Corinthians 6:11 It says that is what some of you were. Hope for those if they change God is loving and wants all to live. But hates wrong doing of which homosexuality is.  We must keep Ourselves clean and must not snicker or agree with it. for according to the bible it is wrong.
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AngelBeni Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014
Ok so in fact IT IS there, but anyway, at least I think it's not like that. They're two people of the same gender who love eachother. People should start to accept this one way or another because they won't stop existing just because they want to.
Also I agree with Canne that the Bible is outdated, even if people like you follow it (wich is your decision, not saying it's wrong) the rest just don't think like that anymore.
Anyway thanks for taking time to answer my question about quotes.
I see obviously even with all the comments you've been replying you won't change your mind and we won't change ours so I'll cut this conversation right here .-.
Bye!
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Really! If you are a true Christian you would feel that the Bible is Gods word! And God is as it says in Ephesians 4:6 One God one father of all. Knowing this you would know he would never tell you something that is wrong for you or out of date. If a father tells his child don't eat something because it is poison it wouldn't not be poison just because the child has grown up.  In fact the At Hebrew 4: 12 says for the word of God is alive and exerts power. and is sharper than a two edged sword. It pierces even to dividing of soul and spirit and the joint from the marrow. It is able to decern thoughts and intentions of the heart. 

Is this what you are doing trying to claim you are Christian and not believing, Trying to  discredit Christianity by not believing in the Word of all mighty God. God is eternal and so his word applies for his people from the begining even till now. And it can never be out of date! That is a way to say you won't listen to God. And excuse! If and I say if you are a so called Christian are you like the ones mentioned here at Matthew  7:22 Many will say in that  day Lord Lord did we not prophocey in you name! Ex spell demo and preform many powerful works in your name? verse 23 further says And  I will declare to them. I never knew you. Get away from me you workers of lawlessness. If you reject Gods laws you are lawless in the Biblical scene of the word. 
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AngelBeni Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014
Excuse me? You can't tell me how true I am to my religion.
Maybe I don't do everything just like the Bible says? Maybe I don't know the whole book by memory as you? (wich, sorry, but I think it's kinda weird) I do believe in God and what he says, but I think I'm able to disagree in some stuff as I am my own person. I'm not even saying I am homosexual, but I think it's ok if others are because it's their life. I was trying to be kind but I never allow people to tell me what I am or what I'm not. You're just so annoying -.-
This was just a drawing of an artist who likes gay people and ships Spirk, and now it has become a debate about religious ethic?! what is wrong with you? ._. geeeeezzz
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Broken-Civilization Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, lying and homosexuality are two COMPLETELY different things, the only way I can connect them is you (and others who share your religion) find it wrong. Which the only fact in that is; It is a fact that most Christians BELIEVE homosexuality is as wrong as lying. Which does not make it a true fact since it is no wrong to other cultures and religions.

I do not find it to be our business what other people do behind their own doors. Just let me say with the whole thing you refer to as 'sex up the sewer pipe' , is it not the an organ that also disposes another kind of human waste entered while a male and female are engaged in sexual intercourse? (I'm just want to let you know, that's rhetorical) 

What else I believe on this subject, I will not type, or voice on Deviant Art, because I do not wish to force what I believe upon others. But You continue to believe what you believe, and I shall do the same for what I believe. Of course I completely respect your religion and opinion upon this matter. I wish to disclose this argument.

Sharing knowledge is good, but I do feel that mostly opinions have been stated here 

Also even if you do not share the same views as me, I can see that you are a person of somewhat momentous knowledge and strong opinions to go with it. I would like to discus a great many things with you in the future, as an exchange of knowledge. Perhaps we could learn from each other. I still mean on deviant art though. (If you don't decline of course, but I would respect that decision) 
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
While you may think this is my opinion I assure you it is all things I know are true and based on facts. 
What was said about a certain organ {P} did you know that the Urine that comes out is designed to sterilize it due to the high content of ammonia that it has in it.  And In this way it was also designed to be a clean environment for the {Testes] to do their job in propagating the human species.  There is nothing you can do to make the {A} the solid waste removal organ to make it clean for that kind of contact. Also  was designed for that one use and that one use only.  Since you respect men of knowledge or people are learned in such things. Surgeon General C Everett Koop in 1988 he targeted Homosexuals sex and the risk of infection through anal sexual intercourse as primary vectors of the disease, health risk for the persons who do that.  profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access…  This is not to say that any one who has loose morals can't spread disease! But did you know that AIDS was Originally  called GRIDS {Gay Related Amino Deficiency Syndrome} It hit the Gay community first.  Then it got into the mane populous through Bisexuals who frequented the Homosexual community.Now AIDS it Rampant. And a risk for anyone who have loose morals. Heterosexual or Homosexual. Oral is also wrong because the mouth was designed for eating drinking talking and breathing. It has no sexual organs attached as with the {Anus} Oral is still the main way to acquire herpes which is still a problem and not out of the picture. {Thus our mythical Vulcan friends would never do anything that would spread or risk spreading any disease to the populous. It would be Illogical.}

As fpr the issue of Christian religion belief that lying and homosexuality as being a sin and wrong the  scripture I  was thinking of list many sins that God sees as being so bad as to keep people from  Gods Kingdom.- It starts out with saying here at 1 Corinthians 6: 9-Do not be mislead. Those who are sexually immoral, Idolaters,{ those who worship idols} adulterers{ those who cheat on their mates},  Men who submit to homosexual acts, Men who practice homosexuality. thieves, greedy persons, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners. will not inherit Gods kingdom. But in verse 11 it say that is what some of you were. {Pastence} Saying that once they changed and asked for forgiveness that they were made clean Washed clean it says actually.

In the list of things there are many things  and lying and homosexuality being just a couple listed. See to it mentions Sexual immorality and  adultery.  This shows that sex relations between a heterosexual couple is only right but only if it is a monogamous Heterosexual Married couple. No other sexual activity is approved. Your only other choice is celibacy.

Since I base everything I told you on Truths from Gods Word the Bible and Facts from secular authorities. I don't consider it an opinion but Facts. You can believe it or no. But to me I know it is Truth and Facts and I follow strictly Bible teachings.

{Side note} Vulcans are written in character as having Ponn Farr with their own mates. And they basically practice a form of Celibacy save once every 7 years with their bonded mate. That was how they were written in.  And Even though some of the actors who played the characters are homosexuals Shatner and Nemoy were not. Shatner is a well known womanizer {very wrong behavior} And Nemoy is married and likes to take pictures of very large women. {Very weird behavior taking pictures of 300+poundage women naked}
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Broken-Civilization Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
(Leonard NIMOY, its spelled with an 'I')

I am already aware of how William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are not homosexual. I never stated I believed so, nor did I say I supported Kirk/Spock. I just felt the need to correct you in the assumption that the artist meant to convey that Spock (her version of Spock that is) was not indeed homosexual. (once again I must state her version of Spock, I never said I shared that view upon the real character of Spock)      

And yeah, Leonard Nimoy was kind of creepy, taking pictures of women like that... especially at his age.

But about the whole Christianity Bible facts, what may be true for Christians may not be true for others. For there are so many religions, so many ideas of god, what makes you correct? What makes your religion the right one or the real one? what makes others wrong? After all the idea of a single god (you know your GOD) was one of the last religions to develop. Is it not possible that the idea of god came from the idea of the Greek god Zeus? or Buddha? and those who believed in this, added their own opinions and stated this to be the word of God. and then this created idea morphed and changed as it grew slowly, adding on new things as it grew (the problem with stories is that it changes by each person that tells it) until someone decided to write down the end product of it, creating the bible. (I'm not saying I think this is what happened, I'm just giving an example of a possibility)

Also I recall it being said that the bible stated that homosexuality was an abomination, not a sin. and the original definition of 'abomination' was to go against ta Hebrew code of conduct set during that time period.

Also, I can't believe I am having an argument in the comments area. So I shall desist this (please do the same, not to be rude or anything) Because I know if I continue this argument may never end. (because I have this skill/curse that I could argue about one thing for days upon days) 
                                         
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elfvale Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well you may think so But I believe my God Jehovah Created the Earth and everything in it. You are welcome to believe different. I  believe What John 17:3 says This means everlasting life, There coming to know you the only true God and the one whom you sent Jesus Christ.  This is why I want to help people to get to Know him and Love him. No other Religion Christian or Pegan has the sayings of everlasting life on a paradise earth. We are the only ones I am a Jehovah's Witness. But if you don't want  to talk further to me. So be it. I actually thought we were having an exchange of knowledge not an argument. Oh well so be it. It was nice talking to you.  Have a nice day!
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Broken-Civilization Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It is not that I do not wish to talk further to you, It is just I believe I have attained enough information to understand yours and countless other's views upon this. I grow weary of the same discussion (though I did appreciate our conversation and what I have gotten from it) and wish to move on to a different subject if the opportunity arises, and maybe one day finish this discussion.

I have found our exchanges of knowledge to be both enlightening and interesting. I look forward to similar exchanges upon a variety of subjects in the future.

I also must apologize for the use of the word 'argument' at the time it was the only word I saw fitting, I realize now that was a poor choice of words.

I wish you a pleasant day, and luck with spreading your teachings upon others.
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Rebel-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Tsundere Spock is best Spock.
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EpicKitten202 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amazing!! Oh yea, Spock doesn't have ANY emotions at all....
R u making a valentine for Kirk, Spock? :D 
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